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Summary[edit | edit source]

Karma is used as a possible term for the 'Law of cause and effect', which is closely interrelated to the 'Law of Grace'.
Steiner states, that Karma is the effect of an individuals actions working their way consecutively from the Mental to the Astral, to the Etheric throughout the incarnations of that individual. Usually the full spectrum of karmic reasons for appearances in the outer world of human affairs is about unfeasible from the standpoint of being in incarnation, because too many factors are hidden and invisible for they origin and/or are effective on Planes and Kingdoms that elude our objective perception.
Therefore, as a rule of thumb it appears to be wise to abstain from conclusions that then may be worded as something along the lines of "This (appearance) is his/her/their karma."

A Discussion via Email[edit | edit source]

Student A's question[edit | edit source]

"in regards to today when you discussed how for example a person choosing to feed the hungry is a karma of something like not having cared for others well being in the past.
Does this imply that all Will To Good is a matter of balancing karma?
As opposed to merely evolution in consciousness?

Student B's answer[edit | edit source]

First, karma is a really complex undertake with variables in the equation that are hardly to be seen from this side of the veil. So its pretty much impossible to ever say anything about anyones karma truthfully, for we can only see half of the reasons for things happening, let alone the “meaning” of anything happening. We may fathom, but its rather wild guessing than anything else.

Secondly, the inner mechanics of the law of karma itself are rather complex. R. Steiner said eg. that the happenings of the mental sphere move into the field of astral / into the astral vehicle in a following life, and the the happenings/doings of the astral sphere move down into the etheric… and so that alone is something rather impossible to fathom in its outcomings without knowing the precise akashic records of that person.

Now I can only guess what ..... may have meant, we would have to ask [them], but from what I understood from that talk it was about the service-karma of someone who planned it “from the end to the beginning” on the other side of the veil (i.e. not in incarnation , hence with way less limitations). e.g. it is said that lucille started her work to precipitate this thoughtform in atlantean times already. As for disciples, time is a different thing, and just like the process of form-creation runs backwards from the end to its beginning (kind of), hence a complex service karma such as Lucilles, Baileys, or eg. Ghandi, Galilei and the many others is planned from an endpoint of outcome into a beginning, and then being worked out from beginning to end throughout as many incarnations as it takes.

A very interesting point though is that R. says that pretty much all disciples of the white lodge once have been disciples of the black lodge, i.e. every white magician has been a black magician in a former life to create a karma to be balanced and worked out as white magician. This hints to the planning of a service activity over various lifetimes, from the end to its beginning. Another point is the law of grace, which in short means that if youre in service to humanity, you burn off more karma than you have built. (or burn it off more easily than otherwise). Another thing again is that “a soul” is always a groupsoul, and as well this groupsoul – logically – always has groupkarma, and it isnt so important by which individual something gets balanced that another indivisual may have caused, for it is a group-process (along the individual process accumulating individual karma as well).

So all the factors are the many that influence our karma (and im sure there are still things missing in this list) up to a point that it is nearly impossible to say much about it, as interesting as it may appear.

Student C's further elaboration[edit | edit source]

As an idea - balancing karma could be part of the process of evolving consciousness - the two may not be mutually exclusive.

If there is an expressed interest in a theme, no matter how seemly random, I assume the group alignment invoked and evoked it. It may be that some of us are more sensitive to that theme than others, for whatever reason. To prohibit the harmless expression of another group member is creating a stop sign for their initiatory response and effort to express the group alignment. The first thing I always do when a part of the group expresses something is to gauge my response/reaction. Does it inspire, irritate, interest, repel, etc. me? If inspired, I engage. If I'm neutral about it, I wait to see what others have to say first. If something doesn't sit right with me, I might disengage or watch the process play out from the sidelines (and examine my reaction for transmutative opportunities) so as not to thwart the initiative of someone else responding to the group alignment - if someone asks my opinion, I will give an honest answer knowing that it may not be Truth, and therefore open to correction. If I am already engaged in an initiative, and something doesn't sit right, I will present a challenge to the idea (and not a challenge to the persona though it's almost impossible if I/they have an unconscious trigger we are resonating with and then that is an opportunity for transmutation), always keeping in mind that the interplay of challenges will hopefully bring the Truth to light. This is what I have taken away from cooperative leadership. Others may interpret it differently.

Regarding what I meant - there are so many possibilities about why someone does what they do. The point I was trying to get across with that response is that we have the opportunity to begin to think in new ways. When we become aware that there is a whole world out there beyond the ends of our noses, we can get caught up in glamours about service work.

We point to people like Mother Theresa and say - she did good work in the world, work that required denying some "selfish" comforts, and caring for others that are helpless, and supporting their basic needs and comfort - she is doing all this because she is a "good" person.

First, there is other "good" work in the world that doesn't appear that way, that may be along a different line and will therefore effect the world in a different way. For example, a doctor that has to tell someone they have cancer which prompts a feeling of fear and dread within them, pumps them with chemicals that make them feel sick, cuts out the cancerous tumor leading to inflammation and discomfort - putting his patient through much pain to heal - is as valuable as the nurse who administers pain killers and feeds a patient, which makes them feel more comfortable in the moment.

What does a "bad" or "good" lifetime of a 1st Ray soul, 2nd ray soul, 3rd ray soul, 4th ray soul, etc. look like? Their version of good and bad will express differently, and ray lines may judge other ray line behaviors as good or bad in and of themselves - the courage of first ray may be interpreted as force, domination, thoughtless action, hyperactive or rashness/harshness by a second ray soul; the logical, discriminating, unbiased, impersonal qualities of the fifth ray may seem cold, heartless and lacking in passion and loyalty to a sixth ray soul; the colorfulness, drama, and fluidity of the 4th ray may be judged as chaos, disorder, contradictoriness, inconsistency and lacking in principles to a 7th ray soul. And, the very different ray lifetimes that personas take on to round out their development means that a persona along a certain ray line in one lifetime may be unconsciously reacting to a negative outcome of expressing along another ray in another lifetime - to the same soul.

Secondly, as Aira pointed out, we need to look at the whole picture of a person because this will allow us to have a full and real understanding of not only "good" people but also "bad" people - to understand their true function in the world and that we all function in this way - God apportions some energy, force and substance to each of us and we work with it, make mistakes and gradually adjust it closer and closer to it's Divine Purpose over many lifetimes.

Good and bad are snapshots our kama-manasic, reactive, logical, sequential mind takes given the appearance of an incarnated soul in time and space. It's a snapshot. We innately understand this as parents. We don't assume our children will be the same at any given moment, frozen in time and space. We regard them as evolving, we regard their appearance at any moment as evolving and respond accordingly. When they are behaving selfishly as a child, we know this won't last forever and they will mature in time. They spend a "lifetime" as a child, adolescent, young adult, midlife adult, and senior. How do we regard a lifetime of many lifetimes of one soul? A lifetime of the soul in any particular point in consciousness, time and location is inaccurately judged as good or bad if judged on the snapshot, so we have to assume there is a divine purpose for that expression at that time.

A very selfish lifetime might lead to a very unselfish lifetime, while a moderately selfish lifetime may lead to a moderately unselfish lifetime - both are balancing out karma. If we were to look at any particular lifetime of the same soul, we might judge that a particular lifetime was good and a particular lifetime was bad. The intensely "good" persona lifetime may seem like they are "better" than a "moderately good" persona lifetime, but in the end, the moderately good persona may only have moderate evil to balance out. So, is someone better because they are overall intensely evil and good, or moderately evil and good? Which soul incarnate is doing more good and more evil in the world? They both equal zero, so to speak, in the end. If something is overall good or overall bad, then the good or bad has to amount to more than zero. This seems to be a part of what is going on with karma - to balance, not to reward or punish good or bad people. See what I'm getting at? All lifetimes are aspects of one soul evolution - they all have their place.

There is a point at which planned service includes both cause and effect within itself and there is no karma - good or bad - to pull the creator back into incarnation, no self-referencing. What does that mean? I don't really know, but here is one theory - when the service activity descends into appearance, all reactions and responses are redirected to the Christ, not ourselves. At this point, because we are not entirely soul infused personalities, we can't help this self-referencing because so much of it is unconscious and we will create karma, but we can endeavor to redirect to the Christ in our conscious awareness. Much of the unconscious self-referencing that leads to both good and bad karma can be overcome through transmutation.

Karma in Applied Wisdom[edit | edit source]


Quotes for "Karma"[edit | edit source]

Cedercrans[edit | edit source]

Karma - The consciousness as it is evolving through the various stages of human evolution, becomes identified with the form nature and commits the acts which are natural to the form. AW Page 939

Karma - Precipitation in sequential order which he is capable of moving through and of adjusting or bringing into balance via his application of the Wisdom and can be made use of in his present service relationship, both to the overshadowing of the Divine Plan and within his particular group. The outer experience, then, of the student, will very seldom be pleasant in the personality sense of the word. The remaining karma, and there is always a certain bulk of it, is brought into direct relationship with his outer life and affairs. TT2

Karma - Is a term given to cover the Law of Action and Re-action. Every act must produce its re-action. Thus we have evolution of consciousness through experience in form.  It is one of the basic laws governing evolution.  All is in perfect equilibrium at all times.  If when you see the manifestation of those things which are generally considered unpleasant, you could but realize that it is the balancing of energies, the adjustment of Karma, resulting in growth for the human entity; life would become for you a thing of beauty and simplicity. H Pages 9, 17 - 18

Karma – When you meet with circumstances which are undesirable, learn to accept them with joy. They mean that your energies have been returned to you, and that certain of your karma is in the process of adjustment. The burden has actually been lessened…  H Pages 18

Karma, Individual - Is exchanged for group karma, it is absorbed into group karma.  The problems which any disciple, any member of a group, brings into focus, requires the united effort of the overall group to solve.  That solution is brought into relationship with the problem via meditation.   It is directed into  manifestation as the manifest solution via  the subjective  efforts of the group,  and it is grounded  via  the objective efforts of the group. DE Pages 203 - 204

Karma, Impersonal - When the intent is to create an effect either for the sake of creation itself or for the purpose of investigation, the resultant karma is impersonal and much easier to adjust  than any other kind.  When the intent is to reveal Truth, such as in the case of teachers and some creative artists, the karma is also considered impersonal.  H Page 20

Karma, Personal - When the intent or will is directed toward a personality or group of personalities, the karma is then considered personal and carries with it much greater consequences than does impersonal karma.  Any imposition of will upon another, whether for the so-called good or bad of any individual concerned, is a violation of the basic relationship existing between them and is therefore more difficult to adjust than any other kind of karma. H Pages 19 - 20

Karmic relationship - When you sense a karmic relationship on the personality plane, or an obstacle to the manifestation of group right relationship, realize that it can be adjusted through an application of Divine Love and the realization of brotherhood. AP Page 139

Karmic relationship - Within the group there are certain karmic relationships that fall into a different classification than the others. These are a source of difficulty until accepted and understood by all members of the group, allowing all individuals to assume their rightful relationship to all other individuals and to the whole. AP Page 137

Karmic relationships - Opposition of loved ones to his desire for service is very common and is brought on always by the karma between the two and the disciple himself. Individuals, particularly husbands, wives, children, close friends, etc., who claim a close personality tie with the disciple and who demand his attention are right in their demand. This is the first thing the disciple must face. S&I Pages 177-178.

Karmic relationships - Very often karma is relived over and over when it could be transcended through Wisdom. S&I Page 179

Karmic relationships (Emotional) - This can arise out of past association on the emotional level, where certain ties have been erected and must, as yet, be transcended before the Soul is free to serve without the limitation of emotional relationship; or it may be the result of two individuals coming together for the first time, with a common emotional interest. The latter is then the beginning or initiation of a karmic relationship which will bring the two back into incarnation together again and again until it has been adjusted and all that remains is the Soul tie. S&I Page 156

Karmic relationships (Group) - This is brought about through past association. Groups of Souls come in and go out together, and in the process of living they create the conditions into which they are karmically impelled to serve. This type of relationship is completely different than that of any other. The Soul tie is so strong and the realization of a common service karma so great that it will draw these people together against tremendous obstacles arising on the plane of the personality. In spite of personality friction, they will hold together and eventually arrive at an attitude of cooperation based upon mutual love and understanding. S&I Pages 156 - 157

Karmic relationships (Group) - Any obstacle to the manifestation of group right relationship, realize that it can be adjusted through an application of Divine Love and the realization of brotherhood. Any relationship other than brotherhood is superficial and at best a substitute for the real thing. S&I Page 158

Karmic relationships (Group guardians) - These may be any number of individuals whose experience has provided them with the Wisdom to balance the energies of the leader, which may at times be impulsed without discrimination. These are the disciples who back the leader; who offer council to all members of the group without discriminating against another member and who provide the Love Wisdom which holds the group together as a group. They are the heart center of the group. S&I Pages 157- 158

Karmic relationships (Group leader) - This individual will constitute the head center of the group and will provide the 1st Ray drive which will enable the group to accomplish its purpose. S&I Page 157

Karmic relationships (Group nucleus) - This is the subjective group, consisting of the group leader and a member or members of each of the other group centers. Together they act as the mind of the group, carrying the light of the Soul to the brain. They are the ones who make possible the form through which the activity of group expression can manifest. S&I Page 158

Karmic relationships (Group public relations center) - These are the disciples who are the main points of contact between the group and the environment in which the group serves. They provide the intelligent activity aspect, functioning as the transmitters of energy, in whatever form is necessary, from the group to those outside of the group. They are responsible for right relationship between the group and the world, for they bring the fact of the group to the attention of the outer world. They act as the throat center of the group. S&I Page 158

Karmic relationships (Mental) - This relationship is brought about by past mental association or the meeting of minds for a common purpose and is somewhat easier to adjust … for mental ties are not so binding, nor so long lasting as emotional ones. S&I Page 156

Karmic relationships (Physical) - This is the result of past association on the plane of dense substance and controls, to a certain degree, the family into which the Soul is born. The relationship between the three permanent atoms to the other permanent atoms will often control the ties of the flesh. S&I Page 156 

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